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Post by pj on Sept 26, 2021 15:47:37 GMT
REALITY CHECK -This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. A home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car... Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. Article Here Attachments:
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Post by Pete on Sept 26, 2021 18:27:05 GMT
PJ, something else not mentioned. Most electric power in the U.S. is generated from fossil-fuel fired plants. So we'd not be eliminating the use of those.
Secondly the huge batteries & the electric motors in those cars require rare earth metals in their manufacture. So there'd be more mining for those.
EVs are touted as saving the environment but in reality they wouldn't actually accomplish much of that.
And as your article states they draw alot of amperage. Modern homes have 100 amp service. So recharging an EV would be using 3/4 of that. Leaving only 25 left for everything else in your house. A 'fridge alone uses 20 so you could run that & your microwave. And that's it. Anymore amps drawn would trip the circuit-breakers until ones EV was charged.
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Post by pj on Sept 26, 2021 18:47:29 GMT
Lot to think about there Pete, but I see the main problem being the government pushing it at all. Who the hell can afford it to begin with, plus all the added cost and PITA as the article notes or shall I say your explanation. Just another government over reach….
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Post by Henry on Sept 26, 2021 19:44:02 GMT
Just another one of those things that you can't do till night!
Probably be a control on the station.
China has access to more R E M now, and i bet The Emirate of Afghanistan gets a fair deal on them!
What to do with the old batteries? Lot of time spent on nuclear waste, where are those folks now? And the wind turbines, in various places piles of blades exist.
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Post by Henry on Sept 26, 2021 19:48:15 GMT
There will be ways to earn Credits!
And the auto workers will be trained to install your charging station!
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Post by Pete on Sept 26, 2021 22:37:51 GMT
PJ, you're right those cars cost alot. More than the average person could afford. And they'll be brand new so there won't be any used ones, at a lower cost, for years. Yep, just the gubberment chasing another of their green pipe dreams with no knowledge or concern about its consequences.
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Post by Pete on Sept 26, 2021 22:42:48 GMT
Henry, two of your points.
Yeah, what about the expired batteries? Can they be recycled or will they become toxic environmental waste?
As for charging stations, will there we public ones, like gas stations? Who will be willing to sit there for hours recharging? How much will that cost?
And just suppose your EV runs out of juice nowhere near a charging port? With a gas car you can walk or get a ride to get some gas. Not so with electricity.
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Post by Henry on Sept 26, 2021 23:07:24 GMT
One of the charging points put in here is at a target store. Its also only about 1/2 mile from the Interstate.
Racist though, Segregated to one the far corners of the parking lot, so I've not walked over to look at it.
I read the ymca was getting some, don't know if completed.
And 3 of us know how batteries do in extremes, no experience with the other.
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Post by Pete on Sept 27, 2021 12:02:36 GMT
Henry, regarding charging points & installing those. Who will pay for those & the upgrade to the electrical systems at whatever location?
Of course there'll be a limited number of plug-ins. I can foresee long waits just to use one with multiple cars. Then another long wait for recharging. Who'll tolerate that?
Good point: batteries in winter going dead. Suppose it happens in ones driveway? With gas powered cars one could get a jump start from a neighbor & drive to an auto parts store & get a new battery. With EVs what will one do? Even if they could somehow be jumped now it's multiple huge batteries needing replaced.
Will the parts store even have those in stock? A regular 12-volt battery goes for, on average, $120. And can be installed in a short time. How about several batteries, how much will they cost & how long to install.
When I worked we had a high-lift that required 8 batteries & replacing those took two guys, an hour's work & a cost of $150 apiece.
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Post by Henry on Sept 27, 2021 20:08:43 GMT
I recall something about a lawsuit that had the payout dedicated, may have been one of the big 3 and Emissions.
I think there's six in that location.
Man we were cutting dead trees for Saturday, his wife no longer had her Prius. A switch failed, and it couldn't operate on the gas engine alone!
The car batteries are not typical batteries.
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